Like individuals with 12th house planets, couples with a lot of twelfth house may feel that there is something fated about their lives together. Could be a seperation. mars is trine composite sun, pluto, uranus jupiter and neptune- but square moon saturn. Neptunes great teaching is that love is a powerful force in and of itself, and should not be used as a binder. This house is deeply spiritual by nature, as it is a composite of all the other houses. When synastry presents itself on the Pluto/Node conjunction, the partner to the Pluto person will instigate growth, either from a negative or positive stimulus. A trauma might have triggered you before, making you a reserved person now. Sometimes we will be asked to make leaps of faith. MUCH APPRICIATED- i am forever greatful for your insights. Composite Pluto in the 9th house: There is an added layer of complexity to their combined life philosophy. Lilith in 12th House Composite, Composite Lilith in 12th House You may find it challenging to express devotion and love for one another if Composite Lilith is in the 12th house. We have had such a difficult relationship. I became reacquainted with a man I grew up with. But also to wound each other? Transit Saturn in the Composite 12th House. The ego thing is very true. Im sorry, Kyveli, but this is too complex a question to answer in the space here. First of all, head to astro.com head to extended chart selection . Its difficult because boundaries dissolve and we find it hard to maintain our separateness, which is necessary in a healthy relationship. Its also trine to the moon and sextiling Uranus. I think that your article is quite amazing, but for those of us who are making these relationships work for us I wish you would have given some cases in which it can work. Once they have hammered out their imbalance (too little, too much is often a theme with the 12th) they must find a way to make something real of their inspiration. The composite chart is probably the best known. WhiteLotus. my davison chart has our sun, mercury and pluto in the 12. frequently i hear what he says in my head before he says it. Its weird weird weird . His natal Venus in cancer is in my 12house. So beautifully written Dawn. We dont really grasp whats in the 12th until we spiritualize it, remove the ego from the planets function. Aghh! clearly the 1st has the most planets, but you said the sun was the essence of the chart,its in scorpio in the 12 house. However, when I examine our composite chart, I was shocked. Look at poor Kurt Cobain, who is the poster boy for this aspect. This is okay, as long as we learn from those mistakes and adjust our steps. We romanticize all of this (and well, a little romance never hurt anyone) but the truth is that this familiarity is there to hurry up the bonding process so that the lessons and the challenges can be quickly assimilated. We have a composite 12th house sun mars and venus in Cancer! Ultimately, both the 12th house and Neptune want us to get our egos out of the way. Concentrate on intimacy and you should be all right. Most of it is illusions I know.. venus+mars, etc. This is the empty space, the place where we are not like others, the place where the pieces dont fit. :In a composite chart: What does it mean when both people have juno in the 12 House? They seem bonded before a word is spoken. Its a huge task, but often one the 12th house couple is uniquely suited for.]. And I dont think you can fully understand Pisces without understanding its relation to Jupiter as well as Neptune. The 12th house is always complex and is different in how it manifests depending on the contacts involved. What to make of this? A Venus/Mars conjunction in Taurus can be a beautiful thing. The composite with the Great Unrequired Impossible love of my life , shows Sun conjunct Neptune and SN , in Scorpio VII . The fatedness of it all doesnt make sense at times, like union of the subconscious. I can no longer approach love as wholeheartedly again. If anything new would happen you would dbe the first one to know! The trauma you have experienced can be in relationships. The Moon squares Mercury and Venus in the 9th, Pluto and Saturn in the 3rd, and squares the MC. I dont quite know what it all means but I like what you wrote here and will keep it in mind for future reference: [Couples with a heavy 12th house/ 6th house polarity have to find a way to put their wisdom to some practical use. I live in a kind of constant daydream /illusion of being near my beloved ghost I know this is not truth , but I dont know how I could do without. Im blessed to remember some past lives weve had and we have definitely come together to mend some old wounds and learn to forgive and love one another. In a negative way, the struggles within the partnership will cause the Pluto person to see where his or her behaviour needs adjusting. Neptune causes us to turn our other into gods. And now we come to the house that causes more furrowed brows than any other. I just am hesitating. I dont know whether this situation is karma? I have a nice syntrastry with my boyfriend (im born 8/1/1983 and he is born 10/7/1982). I need help! (Our North Node rulers often lead us down these blind alleyways.) Sometimes walking around with him is just like being in a movie, which is funny because we ARE in a movie together- one he is making with his best friend. Composite Saturn is in the 1st. In order to respect this aspect, we need to have reverence for all the cycles of life, not just the upswing. Lilith in Synastry. Im afraid I cant get into it in this space (in the synastry course, we spend several lessons comparing the midpoint and Davison charts). Here we are, older, everything so different now, lessons learned, and I am seeing that I cant undo the past. It feels that we are very free together than alone. Thank you very much for the answer. (I have never done anything like that with anyone else.) You need a synastry reading to make sense of all this. In Astrology, the planet Venus represents compassion, cooperation, beauty, and the Arts. Thoughts on this combo would be greatly appreciated by me. What do You think about Davison Chart? Haunting I cant really comment without seeing the charts. I had a relationship with someone, in our composite chart, we have a stellium in the 12th house Sun, Juno, Venus and Uranus. My boyfriend and I have 4-5 planets in the 12th house in our composite progressed chart. The Mars/Neptune square did bring an element of slipperiness, but mostly irritating fibbing on his part. Our lives are silly and sublime at once. He says what on thinking. After our individual identity is explored through all the houses, in the 12th and final house, the personality dissolves into something larger. When your North Node is in the 12th house of your partner's natal chart, you will help the 12th house native become more spiritual and grow as a person. The Inner Wheel Recommended Astrology Reading Lists, Crucible and the Wheel: The Transiting Nodes Series. Sometimes the path isnt easy to find, and we make lots of mistakes along the way. Our midpoint composit cannot show any true about our relationship. Thank you. Learning to become unattached to outcome is a Neptunian theme in general. Thanks Dawn! Black Moon Lilith is the geometric point in the sky that marks the furthest point of the moon's orbit around the earth. I often was a bit too demanding of her when it comes to intimacy and I wonder if this is about me learning to let go. Now I just have to sit and wait around where it is got to leave us! We have the ultimate intimacy side by side with the knowledge of ultimate separateness. i am deeply hurt but I am not angry with him. As a 12th house person, I finally realized I enjoy the confusion. And they might move next year to another town because of their son so I am already dying from the thought that I will not see him after that. They might be very sneaky and test people a lot. Your article is amazing! Once they have hammered out their imbalance (too little, too much is often a theme with the 12th) they must find a way to make something real of their inspiration. In Hebrew tradition, Lilith was Adam's first wife. You dont want, on the whole, a composite Mars in the 12th square to Neptune, unless you are missionaries or you plan to open up a swimming pool installation company. And youre so right, because there is something about the compo 12 th house ! In our synastry my North Node/South Node axis is conjunct his MC/IC axis and his Moon conjuncts my IC. However, it's recommended to do an individual birthchart analysis before analyzing the Synastry to see the personal needs and potential for maintaining a healthy relationship. I will always be exactly where I am now loving you. Knowing him has felt like a blessing and a curse, and yet, to this day, I do not regret falling in love with him that night 10 years ago. There is probably some sort of inequality and that can be good for employee/employer or guru/student relationships. Hi!! Mars also squares Mercury, Venus, Pluto and Saturn. Chiron. We tried to stop but we couldnt be in the same room aloneI know it sounds nothing more than two horny people getting together but it really wasnt the same..or was it? Me and my sweet friend have Sun, Venus and Mercury in Cancer in the 12th, trine Neptune in Scorpio in the 5th, sextile Moon in Taurus in the 10th, but square Saturn in Virgo in the 3rd. I found so many answers and maybe some dissapointments as well :/. Lilith in 12th House: 5 Key Takeaways. When transit Uranus is in the composite 12th house, you may make changes together but quietly behind the scenes, with no one watching. If the Composite Sun is in the 1 st House, there will be a focus on this relationship. The twelfth house is about vocation, our divine calling, and is a very different energy from the status-oriented tenth. The 12th house is the culmination of all that has come before itits our last chance, our last ride, and planets there can often go to extremes without knowing why (they can blame it on the limitless nature of Pisces, which respects no boundaries). We have experienced together so much and it helps my mental developement so much and also your idea about loving and letting go interests me a lot. Hi annaMy feeling is that the word god is loaded, psychologically speaking. Thank you for your insight. I thought that because of the 8th house or vertex, I forced him to confront his own dark side. thanks Dawn! Youre a poet of poets. Whatever I told you would not have a context. Pluto is elevated in the composite chart close to the midheaven in the 9th. (anyone who has ever fallen in love and had planets with that person in 12th composite will know..). I think the fact that were both artists gave this aspect an outlet. With 4, 8 and 12 emphasized, youll have to deal with one another in an emotionally honest way, no matter what karma you have to work out together. i dont know, looking at this chart, it has completely different emphasis, from my regular composite. The eight house is the house of Scorpio, and alongside the twelfth house is the most spiritual and mysterious. We become real magicians if we can tap into it. We have Sun,mercury,venus and jupiter in 12th house virgo. We feel it has a nebulous, yet mysteriously powerful influence on our lives when we have planets there, even though we cant quite fathom the type of influence it wieldsare we being seduced to a precipitous cliff by external forces, or are the demons within driving us to the edge? Those with this placement can benefit significantly from learning how to . Something is whispering in their ears. Please advise if we can make it to marriage or our relationship is doomed. I will look into it. Tendency to become a victim; cult of mystery; exploration of the suffering of others. Hi HGOf course, these articles cant contain every single exception, and the whole chart has to be taken into consideration. hi dawn:) Lilith here can even be drawn to cults. Lilith square . The Ninety-three percent of her astro is in the 12th: the Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Lilith, Jupiter, Saturn, and Uranus. That you both have the Moon in the 12th makes you both sensitive to your surroundings and highly intuitive. where is very intense connection and I can feel things youve described but also I can see it as long term.. Oftentimes, once we surrender to the powers of the 12th house, our lives are transformed by meaning, because those unlikely connections have brought us a wisdom beyond our time together. Good luck. yeah, i think we didnt invest much efforts in getting/staying togetherhowever, when I tried to pursue more, I felt as if I was more needy and I cared more about this relationship, as his respose to my efforts was quite blank and gruff. I loved you from the first moment and that has never changed.) In the 10 years, he (who had been separated from his wife when we first met) went back to his wife, I got engaged to someone else but broke it off realizing I do not love my fiance, reconnected as just friends, and I eventually married someone else, with his blessings. Lilith in the Twelfth House of Astrology (Explained) June 3, 2022 by Wisdom Tavern. Either the energy of the planet is lost, confused, diffused and (at least in our early years) ineffective, or the planet can completely embody its archetype for all to see, often after overcoming great difficulties and reversals, sometimes in extreme circumstances. This places can even indicate psychic ability. Mysterious things attract you. It's so "behind scenes" that it freaks me out. We met one day and it was ON, mutual, and understood without saying word. I have always been very attached to her and have had strong needs for physical intimacy which she has resisted. Now, you can either say its karma, or you can say that person A is psychologically hooking onto the archetype formed with person Bs chart, but whatever it is, it can be a very powerful pull. He is a pisces/cap/aquar with cap moon in 12th house. Overall the chart has a heavy emphasis on the 10-12 houses, and no planets at all in the 5-9 houses, with the exception of Chiron in the 8th house (which sextiles the MC and trines the Moon/Mars as well). IF THIS IS NOT A TRAGIC LOVE STORY THAN WHAT IS? 13 . They might not be opposed to using under-handed tactics in order to receive information or get what they desire. However, the greatest truths will be revealed through periods of meditation and silence. I really appreciate your take on the 12th house; it definitely resonates as true, from my experience. Felt and feels karmic, but alas, it was definitely not meant to be.for now. If you see any intense conjunctions between the Sun, the Moon, Juno, the South Node, Saturn, Venus, Mars, Lilith, etc. I am a strong 12th houser myself and it meant so much to me that we could live together and I never felt my precious solitude was infringed upon. Composite, Davison Chart . I know this man will be in my life as long as I can imagine. Women may stay because they think, how the heck am i going to find a man Im this connected to? !! Arent these positive aspects good enough to sustain a relationship down-to-earth, telling me to forgive and try again or just simply blowing the matter worse and prolonging it?. And it KILLS ME! but the rising is scorpio. If you dont like how someone operates, who cares how connected you are to them? No one could share that kind of information with a person that he/she newly know. We feel that very beautiful in our life! I still could love this man with his faults which I know he has but he is so caring and nice. Mine is conjunct with his moon. (Not at all helped by the fact that his Venus is square to my Sun at exact degrees.) Since your Part of Fortune is in the 12th house of your birth chart, the sixth house is the opposite house. The midpoint chart reveals the relationship on another level entirely. Long story short it really bothered me that I can not tell him how I really feel about him because we are both ironically attending church but I felt that he really likes me as well. We all find our gods where we can and must. . Love for loves sake wont fly with the 12th house. Lilith may help 12th house to bring their subconscious patterns to light, or do the opposite and evoke more fear. Thank you in advance. How does the 12th manifest when the planet is also conjunct the Asc? It has been a very long journey! do you have any clue of what this means or should i just ignore it? i have it conjunct in our davison3rd house- and opposite in4th-10th in composite. We talk with each other and I know he loved me and still does like me , we talk in the church when we can but none of us really telling the real story (which is so 12 house thing). Are these water houses the culprits that keep pulling me back? Mars & NNode in Cancer/10th. Here Black Moon Lilith is squaring both Venus/Mars (12th house) and the Moon (6th house) - both the most difficult houses in the composite chart, indicating an unequal partnership. Thank you, Dawn. Weve known each other for a decade??? Sure someone up there wants to teach me a lesson (again!). I cannot think, sleep since i met him. We have a Sun, Venus, Ceres, Node, Lilith and Fortune in 12th house. Both of us are on a spiritual path, which is very important to each of us. This resonates with me. Thank you for such an eloquent understanding, this has helped me. Lilith (M) 5 58' Leo . Beautiful article!! Im kinda tired of dancing with men who enjoy attempting control and am tired of the endlessly unavailable creatures that keep crossing my path in life. The part about unrequited love was particularly interesting and that other part might not know what we exist. He literally proposed to me the night we met. While separated from his girlfriend and in the final stages of breaking it off with her, we had several secret liaisons- more 12th house. Ive known couples who are married for long periods of time to have 12th house composites. Even the sexual draw of 8th house connections can be replaced by more of them down the road, or by the excitement of the 5th. Whitelotus. You have a strong synastry and a strong 1st house in the composite, and of course that makes a difference. Pluto, Sun, Venus & Mercury in the 12th/Virgo. When Venus occupies the 12th house, it highlights a more mature and sophisticated expression of love. We also have composite Juno in Aquarius in the 4th house (opposing Mercury in the 10th and trining the Ascendant), and Venus tightly conjunct Saturn in the 11th (Leo). Whether the energy between them manifests positively or negatively has to do with aspects to Pluto in both charts and aspects with the North Node rulers. So I had to find an answer without destroying so many other lives or breaking up relationships. Also my moon is conjuct to his sun both ways. This man can be my everything and this feeling will not change. We had an instant connection, and I ended up in his apartment the first night we met. The composite AC is Scorpio Pluto in 12th (only planet) and Mars in 8th. This secrecy he is practising probably points to the venus-mars in composite twelfth ? We communicated telepathically and still do. Who cares? Your emotions may also be cloudy and unclear at times, and your lack of boundaries may cause you trouble. They are the lilith wearing an "eve mask". His sun scorpio falls into my fourth house in my natal chart and mine ,cancer, falls into his 8th. One thing Ive noticed with these people is that other people usually notice their . The relationship is a very private one, we share many trips together, and special 12th house retreat time together. I have to come to grips with it (what you said) altough it is not an easy thing for me when it comes to love (being an Aries lol I want to love with a passion and not just except it as an idea). It was emotional and intense, also warm and familiar at the same time. Sun and Neptune both trine Lilith, who is in Pisces AND in house 12. Thank You very much for Your answer and very best regards from Hungary again! We both feel we have been together over many lifetimes. (One expression does not contra-indicate the other.). We have a meaningful journey to take together, but we must ultimately be alone. Our mars is in cap in 3rd house and mars in 11th house libra. The relationship is both a working one and personal/intimate. Ive seen couples with a heavy 12th house influence utterly befuddled and bedazzled by their lives (which dont go the way their friends lives go). Hi Evelyne. I noticed you dont offer composite readings. . Lilith in the 12th house are really good at hiding their "lilith" nature and because of this they are usually popular. I would like to help you, but you would need a full analysis of the charts to know what is going on with this 12th house energy. . I dont have enough information, but the chart emphasis leads me to believe that you are right in your analysis, that the partnership finds its life in the upper houses. Unfortunately, the 12th House is one of the hardest places for Lilith to be. however, we are very well aspected with neptune in trine and sextile to our nodes, as our sun, but our vertex is opposed and conjucted. "Composite Chart, Midpoint- method (2)". My wife and I have composite moon in the 12 house (aquarius). Bonus points if the Sun and Moon are conjunct. Its more complex than just the composite positions. I turned to astrology and within months I learnt a lot of things about this topic. Dear Dawn, thank you for this amazing article. In synastry, the house the Moon is in will show the area of life that someone touches another on a deep and personal level. Our ascendant is also pisces but our Uranus-Venus opposite position makes lots of deals in our relationship besides the 12th and 6th house. Definitely karmic and unbreakable. I feel there is no Karmic tie to this person, my intuition leans more towards twin flame type status. Hi Dawn. She becomes the energy that stands in our way even as she offers dark gifts. Transit Mercury in the Composite 12th House. That 12th house/Neptune influence is devasting if left unchecked. Composite The relationship is deep and beautiful and in periods hard for us to be with each other. Another concern is his Saturn and North node in my MC/IC and my Mercury/Mar (ruler of my 7th) in his Asc. Its what happens when a sensitive person loves another human being. I have 3 planets in my natal chart in 12th house (mercury,sun,mars) and we have 2 planets,which are identical in my natal(mercury and sun), in the composite chart in 12th house with someone who i talked for 6 months but we never dated.We also have our moon in pisces in 6th house. We are from different countries and we live bliss for few moments and then a lot of despair and pain separated without any logic A tough road between Heaven and Hell! but thats life afterall! The diurnal chart's house cusps will also conjunct progressed and directed planets throughout the year and can mark significant days. I felt like someone kicked me out of my home. The inner planets are where we liveso yes, the 10th house stellium will have more influence on a day to day basis, and then once in a while the outer planets will come out to grab us with whatever their issues are, particularly by transit or progression to the stellium/12th. Now, what to think of this powerful symbolism in the composite chart? Im so confused by this mix! Happy holidays and thank you for this article. There are two conjunctions with ascendent as well. And yes, with Uranus squaring, the tendency would be to want to break away rather than face what is wrong. When we left to go home I literally felt a piece of me inside left. Composite Sun in 1 st House. North Node conjuncts Desc. We feel that very beautiful in our life! thanks Dawn for your reply. A Venus in the 12th House man is a sweet, gentle, kind of person who likes to help both people and animals. In Our composite chart Sun, Mercury, Venus, Jupiter and Chiron in the 12 house. such is the nature of the 12th, beautiful and terrible.! They have to learn to work togetherthats the challenge. We have Uranus, Mercury, Neptune, Saturn, North Node, Sun in the 12th. He told me that had never happened to him before (referring to how we couldnt control ourselves). VERY-VERY SORRY! The lesson they teach is that we do not have to possess love in order to experience it. These are just a few of the synastry aspects. I can honestly say that I love this man from the highest level of my being, but I dont feel we belong together in a committed relationship. For him, its TOO many of his own issues. thanks!! Thank you for reading and I hope this story helps reveal more about the 12th house in composites. However, Sag and Cap are very, very different from one another and the things that make you feel secure, comforted and appreciated will be very different, unless other things in the chart back them up. In our composite chart, Mars in 12th house Cancer square MC conjunct Mercury(10th) and the Sun, Venus(9th) & Mars square IC conjunct Saturn and Pluto(3rd). You may struggle with understanding your emotions and cannot express them in a healthy way. This guy in my life puts Libra venus in my 12th (conjuncting my own Libra venus in 12th). Telepathy, visiting one another out of body, lucid dreaming where they communicate with one another, strange psychic links and melding of the two energetic bodies. hello, nice article Dawn. Was our purpose to heal each other? Found the site while trying to decipher a stellium in a composite 12th house. It often helps to work together on projects they find meaningful, or to spend some time doing community or charity work. One is more transpersonal and numinous, the other deals with our reactions in the day to day world. we have stellium-sun, venus, mercury in 12th house-composit chart(aries), mars in 11th house, moon in 6th, uran retrograde and pluto retrograte in 5th, jupiter retrograde and neptun retrograde in 7th house, south node conjuct regulus in 4th hause, vertex conjuct DC, saturn in 1th house. Overall, this is considered a favorable Lilith placement, as it is . Its pretty rare. We go down a lot of wrong alleyways. The 12th house conjunction in Cancer indicates that there is a nurturing issue between you that needs resolving. When the transit Sun is in the composite 12th house, you may not give as much attention to the relationship, and instead a light is shone on things that have been hidden to the two of you. Well, his descendant point, and his ascendant ruler both conjunct my natal Lilith in my12 th house, orb2. Though many of the things you have said have been true, and there are challenges, I know we are committed to knowing each other and spending this precious time together. . And this is where we must reach out beyond our small lives to touch the greater life that is possible. These are the couples who are magnetically attracted to one another and who, after making the necessary commitments, find themselves on strange and unfamiliar territory. Couples where the 12th is strong can often experiencewell, lets say itNeptunian weirdness. We were happy plutonicay together. You could unknowingly absorb all types of pain from the collective unconscious, making it difficult for you to be a member of the world. Can you say anything on the north node transiting the twelfth house on a composite? A lot of native speakers make this same mistake, and worse. I am so sad because I would have never meet him IF my husband and this man, and his wife would not become friends with him in church, ( I did not go to church for a while so I would not meet them!) When transit Jupiter is in the composite 12th house, you may have more opportunities to come together behind the scenes, behind closed doors, when no one is watching, and in a professional relationship, this can be how you make lots of progress together. I have gone through a long, long cycle of heartaches and have been able to slowly, heart-wrenchingly get over each and every one, except this guy. We both experienced he physically (I think) something weird when i was very close to him and I saw something mind boggling in the night when Venus turned retrograde this year. . This can happen in composites of unrequited love, where one person loves another who doesnt know he or she exists. I mean, for the 2 people IN the relationship it will be a very impactful connection, but even other people will take notice of this pairing. Mars and Pluto certainly do about Scorpio. Thank you for this article. The sixth and the eighth house are also karmic houses. When the transit Moon is in the composite 12th house, you may want some alone time together, wanting to share feelings but only when alone and no one else is around. Wow very insightful thank you so much, I love your writing!! It may have felt like chaos, but later on we know that there was method to the madness. I am not certain this person is a fit but yet there are alot of coincidences between us that keeps me boggled on the larger picture. Besides synastry, the twelfth house in a composite chart can also be telling when it comes to karmic relationships. I really feel like there is a wolf howling in a forest at night and I hear his call , I know I am the female wolf and that the call is for me and I have to go to him now. When transit Venus is in the composite 12th house, you may enjoy being affectionate with one another when no one else around is around to pry and its just the two of you in a personal relationship. People born with Chiron in the 12th house struggle with their psyche, spirituality, and vulnerability. Looking forward to taking more classes with you in the future. Aquarius rising at 29 degrees. Please can someone find me some positive end result here because I have not too much hope after reading that article aboyt the 12 house and I am going insane because I can not really tell anyone what is going on in my life> (husband, kids or even him)I do not want to hurt anybodys life but that means I have to give up my love which is just to hurtful to do!